This is, perhaps, the best evidence indicating that Flight 93 did not crash at 10:03 AM (EST). And I wouldn't be surprised if we see the same thing with the other flights. This is like the ACARS messages placing UA93 in Illinois after the Shanksville, PA crash.
Actually I have massive reservations about James Corbett and Ted Walter is a distractor, trying to re-pivot his disingenuous organisation as the go to 9/11 "truther" organisation for the planes on 9/11. He has done no research of his own, he's just parroting the information from the video I clipped from the documentary in my previous comment.
Watch my video on Corbett below and thereafter the podcast I and 9/11 Planes research did discussing the "Center for 9/11 Justice" suppression....
James Corbett - When a 9/11 truther is wrong, will he apologise?
Yep, lie on top of lie on top of lie...our government couldn't or wouldn't tell us the truth about anything if it bit them in the proverbial a**!! The sheer amount of lies and half truths are simply staggering, planes flying at speeds greater than their ability to not fall apart, Todd Beamer making calls after the plane supposedly went down, goddam buildings swallowing airliners whole, the severity of them is mind-blowing!
I have several phones in my name that are distributed amongst my family. Do we know if this particular phone was Todd’s personal phone in his possession or whether it was being used by his wife or his mother or another relative.
The phone records are from Todd Beamer's personal cell phone. Nothing suggests in all the official investigation documents I have, that anyone else used Todd's phone to make those calls.
I agree that this could be on a family plan. Perhaps it was even an Oracle corporate account and therefore in a coworker's possession, but the name had not been changed on the account. Many people who had cell phones at that time had them through work accounts. There is very likely an easy explanation. This is not a smoking gun.
No evidence. I find it very unlikely that Todd left his wife and young children, or his parents. I met him a few times. We had mutual close friends. He was a really good guy. I suppose I could believe he was kidnapped and killed, but not in on the deception.
No one is suggesting Beamer decided to leave his wife or kids. What is evident if you study the evidence with the flight, it was still airborne after the alleged crash according to official ACARS data, and flying near Champaign IL. Which 500 miles away from Shanksville. The official narrative of that flight is ridiculous.
Beamer's airphone line stayed open for 40 minutes odd after the plane allegedly crashed, which again is impossible.
All this is official evidence, not belief.
Are you in touch with his wife at all? Perhaps she could assist me with my enquiries? And get to the truth of what really happened to her husband.
I have never been in touch with Lisa Beamer, before or since. I’ve drifted away from the once very good mutual friends so it would be strange to contact them for this purpose. I’ll ask my brother if he still hears from the mutual friends. You never know.
Excellent Kimberly. I have a couple corporate phones. Wasn’t even thinking about them as I carry them as well as my personal phone while traveling. Some executives use the work phone as their personal phone. They must feel very secure in their message history…
We don’t know if Beamer was actually on the plane. Likely not. But then we don’t know what time zone the bunker he was held in was in if he wasn’t on the plane that was shot down. So, these calls could still have happened before the alleged crash time, but in a more Western time zone than Pennsylvania’s East Coast Time Zone.
Linda, There are many things about the official account of what happened on 9/11 that have been questioned. Some directly oppose physics or are contradicted by other facts. People have tried to propose alternative explanations or theories about what may have happened instead. It is always dangerous to say that our speculations and theories are definitely what happened because if more facts come out it can undermine the claims against the official story by someone pointing to those claims as false, and we truly do need a new and fuller investigation into the matter.
The 9/11 Commission was somewhat fixed. The man put in charge was a Bush administration appointee, many people involved said they were blocked from certain investigations and questions, and the report totally disregarded major events from the day, like failing to even mention that World Trade Center building #7, a 50 story skyscraper near the Twin Towers also collapsed that day. It was never hit by a plane and came down like a building being imploded, which requires precisely placed and timed explosions in order to bring a building straight down symmetrically.
The Twin Towers themselves came down symmetrically as well and the asymmetrical damage each received and only on a few floors would never lead to the entire collapse of the structure. The “pancake” theory of floor falling into floor all the way down is contradictory to what we saw and some basic laws of physics. The time it would take for each floor to fall and crush the floors below would have been much longer that the gravitational free fall speed of complete collapse in ten seconds for each building, which is what happened because. Then, the resistance from the mass of the 70-80 stories below each impact zone would have stopped the momentum of the mass of the fewer stories above even if they were intact, but we saw those upper stories get blown apart and the rest of the building blow up and send projectiles out that would fall too far away from the buildings to not have been forced by something other than gravity to be blasted that far from the Tower. Further, there is video of large steel beams of 70 stories that appear to be intact just as the building falls, but then these steel structures, some of the strongest and largest steel beams ever made, turn into dust in mid air and blow away in the breeze. No known explosives at that time could have done that, but Dr. Judy Woods has compellingly shown that another type of weapon called a Direct Energy Weapon could have that affect as well as many other effects to the building and cars in the area on that day.
As far as Todd Beamer, he was supposedly on the plane that was said to have crashed in Shanksville, PA. There were eye witnesses to a very small plane going over trees into that field and then an explosion heard, but no witnesses of a commercial jet of any kind. Reporters and the coroner brought in to identify victims said there was no evidence of any plane in the hole and mess that were at the site they said the plane had crashed. The coroner said there were no bodies to examine.
There are also reports from people who found parts of debris they said fell from the sky in the path that the plane was supposedly flying over before it would have crashed. This suggests to some that there was a plane, but it got shot down by military planes instead of crashing.
Then there are questions about the cell phone technology on that date, as phone calls with cell phones at that time would not work over a certain altitude, so the phone calls that are being shared may have been impossible to make from a plane given its altitude according the FAA tracking during the times of the phone calls.
Lots of different explanations have been given for these questions and one suggests that the original planes were boarded, but the transponders changed over to other military planes instead that were remote controlled to fly at targets. The original planes would have been taken elsewhere (military base?) and passengers would then have been forced to make calls at gunpoint with threats to their family members if they didn’t comply. There are some publicly shared calls where the tone of voice is not what you’d expect from someone on a plane being hijacked. Many of the shared calls have no plane engine noise in the background at all. One call gets to the point where the crash supposedly occurred and no sound of an explosion is heard on the phone at all. And one woman’s phone call ends with a soft whisper that seems to hear her saying, “It’s a frame.” Others have speculated that these calls were made from saved recordings of the victims previous phone calls manipulated so their voices could be used to fake phone calls altogether. As I said, lots of speculation to try to make sense of things because the official story fails to make sense in so many facets.
So, Todd Beamer may or may not have been on a plane, may or may not have been in a bunker, and may or may not have ever made the phone call he supposedly made. We won’t know until a full investigation into the matter is undertaken. That new investigation needs to aim at trying to address these questions with an understanding that what we have been told is a bunch of lies, with transparency and nothing left out of the examination.
Now, if you want to explore all of this yourself, find videos or books by David Ray Griffin and Dr. Judy Woods or with Richard Gage who was the head of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. That organization’s website if you Google it has lots of data, studies, videos and reports from engineers who know the physics about the buildings and prove that what we heard was false.
There are also pilots who know the maneuvers the planes supposedly made that day and they say such maneuvers at those speeds would have taken a very skilled pilot and even then seem impossible to them. Some have tried in simulators to repeat those movements and the simulator has crashes before ever reaching the targets due to the effects of the physical limitations of the planes at those speeds and altitudes. They have a pilots for 9/11 truth movement they’ve put together and you can find websites and videos from them as well. Rumble will have more videos than YouTube as Google has removed many videos over the years.
These pilot’s information, the lack of piloting skills in the supposed hijackers as stated by their “flight instructors”, and other facts about whether the aluminum of a commercial plane could even penetrate the outer steel frame of the Twin Towers at all have led to speculation that perhaps new and sophisticated technology allowed for holograms that can include sounds of planes to be used in coordination with explosives going off when the hologram image of planes hit the Towers, meaning the Twin Towers may not have actually been hit by planes at all. Again, this is speculation born of real and rightly curious questioning given all the strange things that do not add up.
There are also questions about what happened at the Pentagon. Whether it was hit by a plane or a missile. Rather than go into that more, I will leave you to explore things and find out for yourself.
Suffice it to say, we know the official account is nonsense, know enough about things to conclude that only people who could access special explosives and get into the buildings, could be responsible, know that Israel and the Neocons in charge of the US at that time had plans and motives for carrying out regime change wars in the Middle East as stated in their documents, and it appears that a group of people in our government and the Israeli government worked together to create a false flag attack that could be blamed on Islamic countries in the Middle East to launch their “War on Terror”.
Again, we can discuss these things and make guesses, but we truly do need a full and transparent investigation into that day to get these questions answered.
Could you expand upon this more? If Todd Beamer was not on the plane then where was he? What do you mean about him being held in a bunker? I’m still learning about all of this.
I know there was no plane in Shanksville. I know there are different options about a plane being shot down or not. Reserving judgment on that until there is more information that may or may not ever be provided in a way to count as definitive proof.
I only want to claim that is one possibility among many. The insistence by many that they know exactly what happened that day before a full and transparent investigation occurs is dangerous because it leads to assertion of speculation rather than asking for more evidence.
have you ever considered the same factors that cause a nail to bend when trying to drive said nail, would be at work in the realm of plane crashes where 4 planes allegedly penetrated straight into walls or ground in the case of "FLT93" . . . WHY didn't the fuselage of even one of these planes bend, and therefore prevent total penetration?
This is, perhaps, the best evidence indicating that Flight 93 did not crash at 10:03 AM (EST). And I wouldn't be surprised if we see the same thing with the other flights. This is like the ACARS messages placing UA93 in Illinois after the Shanksville, PA crash.
Yes, I believe I do. The references are documented here:
https://911acars.blogspot.com/search?q=Chicago
I would like to, if I may, link to a great breakdown of the impossible phone calls on 9/11;
9/11 Planes, Passengers & Phone calls
Video: https://rumble.com/v4u48fc-911-planes-passengers-and-phone-calls.html
Corbett always does a good job as well https://corbettreport.substack.com/p/ted-walter-dissects-the-911-phone
Actually I have massive reservations about James Corbett and Ted Walter is a distractor, trying to re-pivot his disingenuous organisation as the go to 9/11 "truther" organisation for the planes on 9/11. He has done no research of his own, he's just parroting the information from the video I clipped from the documentary in my previous comment.
Watch my video on Corbett below and thereafter the podcast I and 9/11 Planes research did discussing the "Center for 9/11 Justice" suppression....
James Corbett - When a 9/11 truther is wrong, will he apologise?
Video: https://rumble.com/v5lhe55-james-corbett-when-a-911-truther-is-wrong-will-he-apologise.html
9/11 Truth Movement Planes Propaganda - Podcast - 7th March 2025
When the 9/11 truther planes narratives do not fly
Podcast: https://rumble.com/v6q6eo8-when-the-911-truther-plane-narratives-do-not-fly.html
When a narrative defeats logic, when there’s too many holes for it to be simply coincidence or error, there is only one conclusion.
👀
Yep, lie on top of lie on top of lie...our government couldn't or wouldn't tell us the truth about anything if it bit them in the proverbial a**!! The sheer amount of lies and half truths are simply staggering, planes flying at speeds greater than their ability to not fall apart, Todd Beamer making calls after the plane supposedly went down, goddam buildings swallowing airliners whole, the severity of them is mind-blowing!
I have several phones in my name that are distributed amongst my family. Do we know if this particular phone was Todd’s personal phone in his possession or whether it was being used by his wife or his mother or another relative.
The phone records are from Todd Beamer's personal cell phone. Nothing suggests in all the official investigation documents I have, that anyone else used Todd's phone to make those calls.
I agree that this could be on a family plan. Perhaps it was even an Oracle corporate account and therefore in a coworker's possession, but the name had not been changed on the account. Many people who had cell phones at that time had them through work accounts. There is very likely an easy explanation. This is not a smoking gun.
It is Todd Beamer’s personal cell phone, not a work phone. Note it is his personal number also. It most definitely is a major discrepancy.
What evidence do you have, to refute this piece of evidence?
No evidence. I find it very unlikely that Todd left his wife and young children, or his parents. I met him a few times. We had mutual close friends. He was a really good guy. I suppose I could believe he was kidnapped and killed, but not in on the deception.
No one is suggesting Beamer decided to leave his wife or kids. What is evident if you study the evidence with the flight, it was still airborne after the alleged crash according to official ACARS data, and flying near Champaign IL. Which 500 miles away from Shanksville. The official narrative of that flight is ridiculous.
Beamer's airphone line stayed open for 40 minutes odd after the plane allegedly crashed, which again is impossible.
All this is official evidence, not belief.
Are you in touch with his wife at all? Perhaps she could assist me with my enquiries? And get to the truth of what really happened to her husband.
I have never been in touch with Lisa Beamer, before or since. I’ve drifted away from the once very good mutual friends so it would be strange to contact them for this purpose. I’ll ask my brother if he still hears from the mutual friends. You never know.
Excellent Kimberly. I have a couple corporate phones. Wasn’t even thinking about them as I carry them as well as my personal phone while traveling. Some executives use the work phone as their personal phone. They must feel very secure in their message history…
We don’t know if Beamer was actually on the plane. Likely not. But then we don’t know what time zone the bunker he was held in was in if he wasn’t on the plane that was shot down. So, these calls could still have happened before the alleged crash time, but in a more Western time zone than Pennsylvania’s East Coast Time Zone.
Linda, There are many things about the official account of what happened on 9/11 that have been questioned. Some directly oppose physics or are contradicted by other facts. People have tried to propose alternative explanations or theories about what may have happened instead. It is always dangerous to say that our speculations and theories are definitely what happened because if more facts come out it can undermine the claims against the official story by someone pointing to those claims as false, and we truly do need a new and fuller investigation into the matter.
The 9/11 Commission was somewhat fixed. The man put in charge was a Bush administration appointee, many people involved said they were blocked from certain investigations and questions, and the report totally disregarded major events from the day, like failing to even mention that World Trade Center building #7, a 50 story skyscraper near the Twin Towers also collapsed that day. It was never hit by a plane and came down like a building being imploded, which requires precisely placed and timed explosions in order to bring a building straight down symmetrically.
The Twin Towers themselves came down symmetrically as well and the asymmetrical damage each received and only on a few floors would never lead to the entire collapse of the structure. The “pancake” theory of floor falling into floor all the way down is contradictory to what we saw and some basic laws of physics. The time it would take for each floor to fall and crush the floors below would have been much longer that the gravitational free fall speed of complete collapse in ten seconds for each building, which is what happened because. Then, the resistance from the mass of the 70-80 stories below each impact zone would have stopped the momentum of the mass of the fewer stories above even if they were intact, but we saw those upper stories get blown apart and the rest of the building blow up and send projectiles out that would fall too far away from the buildings to not have been forced by something other than gravity to be blasted that far from the Tower. Further, there is video of large steel beams of 70 stories that appear to be intact just as the building falls, but then these steel structures, some of the strongest and largest steel beams ever made, turn into dust in mid air and blow away in the breeze. No known explosives at that time could have done that, but Dr. Judy Woods has compellingly shown that another type of weapon called a Direct Energy Weapon could have that affect as well as many other effects to the building and cars in the area on that day.
As far as Todd Beamer, he was supposedly on the plane that was said to have crashed in Shanksville, PA. There were eye witnesses to a very small plane going over trees into that field and then an explosion heard, but no witnesses of a commercial jet of any kind. Reporters and the coroner brought in to identify victims said there was no evidence of any plane in the hole and mess that were at the site they said the plane had crashed. The coroner said there were no bodies to examine.
There are also reports from people who found parts of debris they said fell from the sky in the path that the plane was supposedly flying over before it would have crashed. This suggests to some that there was a plane, but it got shot down by military planes instead of crashing.
Then there are questions about the cell phone technology on that date, as phone calls with cell phones at that time would not work over a certain altitude, so the phone calls that are being shared may have been impossible to make from a plane given its altitude according the FAA tracking during the times of the phone calls.
Lots of different explanations have been given for these questions and one suggests that the original planes were boarded, but the transponders changed over to other military planes instead that were remote controlled to fly at targets. The original planes would have been taken elsewhere (military base?) and passengers would then have been forced to make calls at gunpoint with threats to their family members if they didn’t comply. There are some publicly shared calls where the tone of voice is not what you’d expect from someone on a plane being hijacked. Many of the shared calls have no plane engine noise in the background at all. One call gets to the point where the crash supposedly occurred and no sound of an explosion is heard on the phone at all. And one woman’s phone call ends with a soft whisper that seems to hear her saying, “It’s a frame.” Others have speculated that these calls were made from saved recordings of the victims previous phone calls manipulated so their voices could be used to fake phone calls altogether. As I said, lots of speculation to try to make sense of things because the official story fails to make sense in so many facets.
So, Todd Beamer may or may not have been on a plane, may or may not have been in a bunker, and may or may not have ever made the phone call he supposedly made. We won’t know until a full investigation into the matter is undertaken. That new investigation needs to aim at trying to address these questions with an understanding that what we have been told is a bunch of lies, with transparency and nothing left out of the examination.
Now, if you want to explore all of this yourself, find videos or books by David Ray Griffin and Dr. Judy Woods or with Richard Gage who was the head of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. That organization’s website if you Google it has lots of data, studies, videos and reports from engineers who know the physics about the buildings and prove that what we heard was false.
There are also pilots who know the maneuvers the planes supposedly made that day and they say such maneuvers at those speeds would have taken a very skilled pilot and even then seem impossible to them. Some have tried in simulators to repeat those movements and the simulator has crashes before ever reaching the targets due to the effects of the physical limitations of the planes at those speeds and altitudes. They have a pilots for 9/11 truth movement they’ve put together and you can find websites and videos from them as well. Rumble will have more videos than YouTube as Google has removed many videos over the years.
These pilot’s information, the lack of piloting skills in the supposed hijackers as stated by their “flight instructors”, and other facts about whether the aluminum of a commercial plane could even penetrate the outer steel frame of the Twin Towers at all have led to speculation that perhaps new and sophisticated technology allowed for holograms that can include sounds of planes to be used in coordination with explosives going off when the hologram image of planes hit the Towers, meaning the Twin Towers may not have actually been hit by planes at all. Again, this is speculation born of real and rightly curious questioning given all the strange things that do not add up.
There are also questions about what happened at the Pentagon. Whether it was hit by a plane or a missile. Rather than go into that more, I will leave you to explore things and find out for yourself.
Suffice it to say, we know the official account is nonsense, know enough about things to conclude that only people who could access special explosives and get into the buildings, could be responsible, know that Israel and the Neocons in charge of the US at that time had plans and motives for carrying out regime change wars in the Middle East as stated in their documents, and it appears that a group of people in our government and the Israeli government worked together to create a false flag attack that could be blamed on Islamic countries in the Middle East to launch their “War on Terror”.
Again, we can discuss these things and make guesses, but we truly do need a full and transparent investigation into that day to get these questions answered.
Could you expand upon this more? If Todd Beamer was not on the plane then where was he? What do you mean about him being held in a bunker? I’m still learning about all of this.
I know there was no plane in Shanksville. I know there are different options about a plane being shot down or not. Reserving judgment on that until there is more information that may or may not ever be provided in a way to count as definitive proof.
I only want to claim that is one possibility among many. The insistence by many that they know exactly what happened that day before a full and transparent investigation occurs is dangerous because it leads to assertion of speculation rather than asking for more evidence.
The things that you go
“🤨Hmm!”
have you ever considered the same factors that cause a nail to bend when trying to drive said nail, would be at work in the realm of plane crashes where 4 planes allegedly penetrated straight into walls or ground in the case of "FLT93" . . . WHY didn't the fuselage of even one of these planes bend, and therefore prevent total penetration?
Outstanding question! I really wonder how? I flew constantly around that time and had to wait until I landed in order to make a call.