Furthermore, I want to mention the fact that the serial number found from the Pentagon plane debris doesn't match Flight 77's. The debris serial number (9446 or 9440) doesn't match AA77's serial number (24602). Unless the number was changed prior to 9/11 or I'm misinterpreting the data, what's shown at the Pentagon cannot be the plane in question.
Additionally, the nature of the DNA evidence ‘proving’ AA77 and its occupants crashed in the Pentagon appears to be highly questionable. According to the NIH, DNA’s burning threshold is 190° Celsius/374° Fahrenheit. Wikipedia claims the burning temperatures at the Pentagon crime scene was 1,090° C/2,000 °F, multitude times higher than DNA’s burning temperature. The chances of finding perfectly identifiable DNA samples from most of the human remains are extremely slim under such conditions, which challenges the veracity of their DNA results. Even they admit the process of identifying remains was “difficult” to do.
“We find that under dry conditions, complete DNA degradation occurs at above 190°C.”
“What some experts have called “the most comprehensive forensic investigation in U.S. history” ended Nov. 16 with the identification of 184 of the 189 who died in the terrorist attack on the Pentagon. … Many of the casualties were badly burned and difficult to identify, an official said.”
You should also keep in mind that no independent testing was done on the alleged Pentagon remains, nor was there any credible third-party oversight on the process outside the gov't, so we have no way of knowing those tests weren't fraudulent. Same with Manhattan and Shanksville.
Speaking of which, Mark, if you haven't already seen them, please take a look at these interesting articles covering the alleged AA77 victims. They're particularly skeptical of the fact that none of the hijackers were mentioned in the DOD's autopsy report for the plane's casualties. Also note the mention of shady "bone guys" who were involved in other psyops/false-flags such as the Waco Massacre.
"The AFIP suggest these numbers; 189 killed, 125 worked at the Pentagon and 64 were “passengers” on the plane. The AA list only had 56 and the list just obtained has 58. They did not explain how they were able to tell “victims” bodies from “hijacker” bodies. In fact, from the beginning NO explanation has been given for the extra five suggested in news reports except that the FBI showed us the pictures to make up the difference, and that makes it so."
"No Arabs wound up on the morgue slab; however, three ADDITIONAL people not listed by American Airline sneaked in. I have seen no explanation for these extras. I did give American the opportunity to “revise” their original list, but they have not responded. The new names are: Robert Ploger, Zandra Ploger, and Sandra Teague. The AFIP claims that the only “passenger” body that they were not able to identify is the toddler, Dana Falkenberg, whose parents and young sister are on the list of those identified."
"This list itself is suspect because there is a special group of “bone guys” that are called in whenever the government needs an “adjustment” to their story.
About "bone guys": No, we're not talking folks that hang around secret Ivy League fraternaties. On May 31, 2002, the Washington Post had this to say about 'bone guys':
"...When remains of the Waco dead or 9/11 Pentagon victims or Desert Storm casualties -- or most recently Chandra Levy -- need to be studied, the bone guys at the Smithsonian are called in. The bone guys read skeletons like intricate topological maps. Sometimes they can make identification from a skull fragment the size of a quarter. They can read race in the teeth and gender in the brow. They can tell you who had an asymmetric nose. They can tell you who may have been a factory worker, because bones grow more pronounced to accommodate certain muscles, and who may have been a weaver or a tailor, based on grooves in the teeth where thread was held....""
It's also important to note that the same people from Dover helped to allegedly identify the UA93 casualties, which is mentioned towards the end of the DCMilitary article. So there's a potential conflict of interest here, too.
"Much of the research that yielded the mini-markers grew out of the effort to identify the victims of the 9/11 terror attacks. That effort was complicated by the fact that fires smoldered for months in the rubble at Ground Zero and, because heat damages DNA, the remains recovered there often yielded partial profiles. To help resolve those profiles, NIST scientist John Butler worked with colleagues at the New York City Medical Examiner’s Office to develop new methods for working with badly degraded DNA—methods that made it possible to identify remains that otherwise would have never been returned to the victims’ families."
So essentially, they had to develop new ways to ID the 9/11 remains because many of them were reportedly quite difficult to identify with traditional DNA testing and other forms of forensic identification. Relatively few of the remains were intact enough to be easily identified without such new forensic methodologies being needed.
And keep in mind that one only needs small DNA samples for identification, so they could've easily obtained little pieces of the alleged victims' remains from elsewhere (assuming they aren't lying wholesale about identifying them to boot). This eliminates the need for using whole dead corpses for identification. If needed, they could've easily obtained little forensic samples - such as hair follicles or dead skin cells - from living people and pass them off as having being identified from dead victims.
Regarding American West Airlines Flight 98, is it possible that this is the white plane that some eyewitnesses described flying past them and approaching the Pentagon? Keep in mind that their fleet of planes heavily sported white as their color. What do you think?
Another aspect of the Pentagon saga that needs to be considered is the fact that first-hand witnesses such as Roosevelt Roberts, Jr. claimed debris from the crime scene was "vandalized" and "stolen" soon after the attack there. By this premise, it's safe to assume evidence was being planted as well.
Furthermore, I want to mention the fact that the serial number found from the Pentagon plane debris doesn't match Flight 77's. The debris serial number (9446 or 9440) doesn't match AA77's serial number (24602). Unless the number was changed prior to 9/11 or I'm misinterpreting the data, what's shown at the Pentagon cannot be the plane in question.
9/11 Pentagon plane debris:
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhQwjjCv8swRWyTZdpcTTkukUeC4eyqFq9nPWAjkplLP1ph_0UA9icmZEN5243fR8WsqKT0uhpY17ihATI-GBc0FkmWiKF9tT18q2ZZm3xl2B1S5iUHxOKo2d0whvMY6Z-3wcHykz_PaqM/s1600/9-11+Pentagon+Debris+1+resize.jpg
Flight 77's (N644AA) data from the FAA Aircraft Inquiry page:
https://registry.faa.gov/AircraftInquiry/Search/NNumberResult?nNumberTxt=N644AA
Additionally, the nature of the DNA evidence ‘proving’ AA77 and its occupants crashed in the Pentagon appears to be highly questionable. According to the NIH, DNA’s burning threshold is 190° Celsius/374° Fahrenheit. Wikipedia claims the burning temperatures at the Pentagon crime scene was 1,090° C/2,000 °F, multitude times higher than DNA’s burning temperature. The chances of finding perfectly identifiable DNA samples from most of the human remains are extremely slim under such conditions, which challenges the veracity of their DNA results. Even they admit the process of identifying remains was “difficult” to do.
“We find that under dry conditions, complete DNA degradation occurs at above 190°C.”
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23621849
“Officials estimated temperatures of up to 2,000 °F (1,090 °C).”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_77#Rescue_and_recovery
“What some experts have called “the most comprehensive forensic investigation in U.S. history” ended Nov. 16 with the identification of 184 of the 189 who died in the terrorist attack on the Pentagon. … Many of the casualties were badly burned and difficult to identify, an official said.”
https://web.archive.org/web/20080106090708/http://www.dcmilitary.com/dcmilitary_archives/stories/112901/12279-1.shtml
Fantastic, thanks for the links. I will follow this up. I may need some assistance with it, but will credit your research. It is very interesting!
You should also keep in mind that no independent testing was done on the alleged Pentagon remains, nor was there any credible third-party oversight on the process outside the gov't, so we have no way of knowing those tests weren't fraudulent. Same with Manhattan and Shanksville.
Speaking of which, Mark, if you haven't already seen them, please take a look at these interesting articles covering the alleged AA77 victims. They're particularly skeptical of the fact that none of the hijackers were mentioned in the DOD's autopsy report for the plane's casualties. Also note the mention of shady "bone guys" who were involved in other psyops/false-flags such as the Waco Massacre.
"The AFIP suggest these numbers; 189 killed, 125 worked at the Pentagon and 64 were “passengers” on the plane. The AA list only had 56 and the list just obtained has 58. They did not explain how they were able to tell “victims” bodies from “hijacker” bodies. In fact, from the beginning NO explanation has been given for the extra five suggested in news reports except that the FBI showed us the pictures to make up the difference, and that makes it so."
"No Arabs wound up on the morgue slab; however, three ADDITIONAL people not listed by American Airline sneaked in. I have seen no explanation for these extras. I did give American the opportunity to “revise” their original list, but they have not responded. The new names are: Robert Ploger, Zandra Ploger, and Sandra Teague. The AFIP claims that the only “passenger” body that they were not able to identify is the toddler, Dana Falkenberg, whose parents and young sister are on the list of those identified."
https://web.archive.org/web/20030811080442/http://www.sierratimes.com/03/07/02/article_tro.htm
"This list itself is suspect because there is a special group of “bone guys” that are called in whenever the government needs an “adjustment” to their story.
About "bone guys": No, we're not talking folks that hang around secret Ivy League fraternaties. On May 31, 2002, the Washington Post had this to say about 'bone guys':
"...When remains of the Waco dead or 9/11 Pentagon victims or Desert Storm casualties -- or most recently Chandra Levy -- need to be studied, the bone guys at the Smithsonian are called in. The bone guys read skeletons like intricate topological maps. Sometimes they can make identification from a skull fragment the size of a quarter. They can read race in the teeth and gender in the brow. They can tell you who had an asymmetric nose. They can tell you who may have been a factory worker, because bones grow more pronounced to accommodate certain muscles, and who may have been a weaver or a tailor, based on grooves in the teeth where thread was held....""
https://web.archive.org/web/20030811082835/http://www.sierratimes.com/03/07/07/article_tro_flight77.htm
It's also important to note that the same people from Dover helped to allegedly identify the UA93 casualties, which is mentioned towards the end of the DCMilitary article. So there's a potential conflict of interest here, too.
Many thanks for the info! I will checkout this, and get back to you, I may need a bit of assistance.
Speaking of assistance, here's more info about thermal affects on human DNA:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-91505-8
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1752928X21000160
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8129487/#section36-1925362121998547
Reflections on Assisting With the 9/11 World Trade Center DNA Identifications:
https://www.nist.gov/blogs/taking-measure/reflections-assisting-911-world-trade-center-dna-identifications
"Much of the research that yielded the mini-markers grew out of the effort to identify the victims of the 9/11 terror attacks. That effort was complicated by the fact that fires smoldered for months in the rubble at Ground Zero and, because heat damages DNA, the remains recovered there often yielded partial profiles. To help resolve those profiles, NIST scientist John Butler worked with colleagues at the New York City Medical Examiner’s Office to develop new methods for working with badly degraded DNA—methods that made it possible to identify remains that otherwise would have never been returned to the victims’ families."
https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2016/12/nist-research-enables-enhanced-dna-fingerprints
So essentially, they had to develop new ways to ID the 9/11 remains because many of them were reportedly quite difficult to identify with traditional DNA testing and other forms of forensic identification. Relatively few of the remains were intact enough to be easily identified without such new forensic methodologies being needed.
And keep in mind that one only needs small DNA samples for identification, so they could've easily obtained little pieces of the alleged victims' remains from elsewhere (assuming they aren't lying wholesale about identifying them to boot). This eliminates the need for using whole dead corpses for identification. If needed, they could've easily obtained little forensic samples - such as hair follicles or dead skin cells - from living people and pass them off as having being identified from dead victims.
The PentaCon on 9/11
When even a missile did not hit a target
Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/the-pentacon-on-911
Regarding American West Airlines Flight 98, is it possible that this is the white plane that some eyewitnesses described flying past them and approaching the Pentagon? Keep in mind that their fleet of planes heavily sported white as their color. What do you think?
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=h_&kax=-1&q=american+west+airplanes&iax=images&ia=images
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b22FtxlnzEA
Another aspect of the Pentagon saga that needs to be considered is the fact that first-hand witnesses such as Roosevelt Roberts, Jr. claimed debris from the crime scene was "vandalized" and "stolen" soon after the attack there. By this premise, it's safe to assume evidence was being planted as well.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pM3db2Rvit4
Here's the full LOC interview with Roberts, if you're curious:
https://www.loc.gov/item/afc911000155/