You forgot to mention just how ridiculous the "crash site" at Shanksville was and how people arriving there stated, they found no evidence that a plane had crashed there...
I'll just drop a link to my article too;
The 9/11 Hoodwink at Shanksville, PA
No Jet Fuel, or a plane at the Flight 93 Crash Site
I cannot thank you enough for your kind words. It is comments like this which really lift my spirits to keep researching, and pursuit of the truth. Thank you!
Thorough article...do you think that passengers boarded both planes or just one of them? The one on the tarmac was seen by the football player that passengers were boarding so I assume that is where the passengers went.
Hi, yes the passengers could've boarded that plane. A telling factor, which is in the official documents, Mark Bingham was not assigned a seat on United 93, and his name is not listed on the flight manifest either.
Is it possible that one of the planes identifying as United 93 actually landed in either Champaign, Illinois or Chicago, Illinois instead of Cleveland, Ohio? I say this because the WCPO report erroneously identified the plane as a Boeing 767 that flew out of Boston, MA instead of a Boeing 757 that departed from Newark, NJ, and there's no evidence in the BTS departure database that indicates UA93 left Boston Logan or any Massachusetts airport on 9/11. Plus, the ACARS data you show does not indicate that Flight 93 flew back to Cleveland, but rather continued flying towards Illinois where messages were last transmitted. What are your thoughts, Mark?
The question is. Was that the United 93 that Col Marr was talking about circling Chicago? Also, the ACARS messages timing calculation from Cleveland to Chicago is 35 mins, so if you reverse that timing back from Chicago to Cleveland is was possible. I believe United 93 most likely landed at Chicago.
There is also a theory, that perhaps one of the United 175 flights landed at Cleveland and deplaned both American 11's passengers, which were moved on to United 175 flight. this would fit nearer the number of 200 passengers estimate seen at Cleveland being escorted to the NASA Research Center? Also, United 175 may have flown back to Boston, as I said in my 2020 article.
The passengers of American 11, that spoke of a delay, could have been put onto the United 175 flight, at 8:14 a.m. or 8:23 a.m. United 175 plane? It seems to explain the delay that was conveyed regarding American 11. The other American 11 at Gate 26, most likely was the flight that was cancelled in the BTS data-base. Which is why those passengers ended-up on the United 175 flight. The American 11 at the "official" Gate 32, was the plane that had only a few crew on board, and no passengers, which cleaner Wayne Kirk observed, as he departed the plane after his cleaning duties finished, which he though was odd. It is likely, that plane was part of an exercise, which flew to Washington (NORAD Tapes), and was part of a plane crash scenario at the White House, which the Secret Service reported. It likely, that plane landed at Reagan National after flying over the White House. I believe Major Kevin Naspany was referring to this exercise in his comment he made at 8:46 a.m., with the exercise not meant to be starting until an hours time at 9:46 a.m., which is the time (9:46 a.m.) when the Secret Service report the plane crashing into the White House.
I think the whole planning and execution was meant to be confusing, and to mess with our heads, with the contradictions with the evidence, duplication of flights. Nothing seems straightforward.
I am aware of news reports such as the one you linked that says United 93 landed in Cleveland, Ohio. Sadly, I so far couldn't find damning evidence to corroborate it. The BTS, for instance, has no record of UA93 departing from Chicago, Illinois and landing in Cleveland or vice versa. (It also, oddly enough, doesn't list DA1989 as having landed at Cleveland Hopkins Airport on 9/11, although it is listed as a diverted flight).
However, I do find it more likely that the plane WCPO mistakenly identified as Flight 93 was probably either United 175 or Delta 1989. Both were Boeing 767s that flew from Boston, MA on 9/11 and one of them did reportedly land at Cleveland (keep in mind that DA1989 also merged temporarily with UA93 on radar, which is probably where the confusion stemmed from). Plus, Flight 175 was detected flying further west than it should've according to the ACARS transmissions with the plane, so it's possible it did land somewhere in the Midwest.
Regardless, I do agree on one thing: the operation was deliberately confusing and doesn't add up. I suspect this was so to confuse officials who weren't in on the deception and later researchers who study the 9/11 flights in-depth.
Well, I managed to find out, and get UA93 listed as landed at Reagan National at 10:28 a.m.
Reagan was closed for 3 weeks. I still maintain that Reagan was involved with two of the planes. AA11 and UA93.
The other UA93 over Chicago most likely landed there. Col Marr, account of it circling over Chicago is significant.
The BTS has been cleansed of anything significant by now.
I still believe AA11 passengers were perhaps put onto UA175. Remember that a passenger on UA175 thought they were flying to Chicago? But I reckon, the 767 out of Boston could have been UA175, and the passengers taken to the NASA building at Cleveland. That is why United couldn't confirm until 11:30 a.m. that it was United 175 that crash. Also, not to forget Delta 89, popped up on the radar screens, and then disappeared. Was Delta 89 an ID of a training drill hijacking plane scenario, or a cover for call-sign for UA175? After all, Delta 89 was not scheduled to be flying until 6pm? Also note, there was an ELT reported near where Delta 89 disappears, not far from Ann Arbor. That had to be a training exercise of somekind?
I have also discovered that the UA175 ACARS backs up the Flight Explorer flight path shown on MSNBC.
It is just a matter of piecing together the evidence. It is hard to discount the duplicate evidence of flights.
There's no denying that Flight 93 was scheduled to land in D.C. at 10:28 AM and likely landed there around that time, well after it was supposed to have crashed in Pennsylvania at 10:03 AM. It's also likely that a duplicate UA93 did land in Illinois, probably in either Chicago or Champaign. The latter has an airport, too, btw:
You may have a point about the BTS, unfortunately. We've seen how the agency has dealt with flight data concerning American 11 & 77, so it's possible any incriminating info regarding United 175 & 93 was also scrubbed from their public databases.
I also wouldn't be surprised if some of Flight 11's passengers were transferred to Flight 175. They were in the same airport, after all, so it's doable. Perhaps United and American Airlines were running a joint hijacking drill from Boston on 9/11, which might explain this scenario. Maybe with a little bit of digging, we may discover compelling info that suggests it was so.
And I'm curious to know about this discovery that ACARS messages with UA175 backs up what MSNBC and Flight Explorer disclosed shortly after the attacks, which is their animation showing the plane turning around over New Jersey and flying past New York and into Connecticut where it was last seen. Do the ACARS transmissions place the plane over Connecticut, by any chance?
I was reading through your article again, and have added a bit more info from it, into my Richard Ross article I published recently, with link to your article again. I completely over-looked that info regarding his cancellation of his flight. I think it ties in nicely with his phone call with his wife regarding the delay and concern arriving for his business meeting, considering AA11 pushed back 1 minute behind schedule, and also the fact of his misunderstanding surrounding his flight time.
Speaking of Flights 11 and 175 passengers, I wonder if you'll do an article on Ruth McCourt and her friend Paige Farley-Hackel? If you don't already know, they were very good friends who usually travelled together. They are said to have died on the planes involved in the WTC attacks.
Oddly enough, September 11th was the only time they travelled separately to the same place (Los Angeles, California), which supposedly was due to difficulties in finding available seats for both ladies (and Ruth's daughter) on a single flight from Boston Logan, despite AA11 and UA175 being under-booked and thus having had plenty of empty seats for all three to take on one of the flights.
But if your scenario regarding the first two planes turns out to have some weight, that means the women didn't really travel separately, after all. It actually makes more sense than the official story, considering how inseparable Ruth and Paige were said to be.
If you study the Flight Explorer footage, notice when they hover over the plane and the data block appears, it also shows a flight path line, which leads back between Harrisburg and Pittsburgh. Interestingly that is were the ACARS ground station transmission messages were sent to the plane from.
Note: None were recorded from over Connecticut. But saying that, all the ACARS data was obtained through FOIA, as it was withheld, so for all I know it could have been omitted after 9:51 a.m., when an ACARS msg was sent. The other two was sent at 8:59 a.m. and 9:03 a.m.
I think untangling all the evidence we do have does allow to build a picture, or working hypothesis of what happened with those planes.
For example, I am quite certain AA77 landed at St Louis Airport. I have a photo of one American Airlines 757 sat on the tarmac amoung other airlines planes. From my understanding only 12 AA flights went to that airport on 9/11.
"If you study the Flight Explorer footage, notice when they hover over the plane and the data block appears, it also shows a flight path line, which leads back between Harrisburg and Pittsburgh."
You mean this bright yellow line at 0:39 in the video below? It does seem to pass through the area where one of the ACARS messages with UA175 was transmitted.
BOOM!! What an epic article - Thank you!
You forgot to mention just how ridiculous the "crash site" at Shanksville was and how people arriving there stated, they found no evidence that a plane had crashed there...
I'll just drop a link to my article too;
The 9/11 Hoodwink at Shanksville, PA
No Jet Fuel, or a plane at the Flight 93 Crash Site
Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/hoodwinked-at-shanksville-on-911
Mark, you are doing God’s work. Thank you
Hi Floyd,
I cannot thank you enough for your kind words. It is comments like this which really lift my spirits to keep researching, and pursuit of the truth. Thank you!
Thorough article...do you think that passengers boarded both planes or just one of them? The one on the tarmac was seen by the football player that passengers were boarding so I assume that is where the passengers went.
Hi, yes the passengers could've boarded that plane. A telling factor, which is in the official documents, Mark Bingham was not assigned a seat on United 93, and his name is not listed on the flight manifest either.
Is it possible that one of the planes identifying as United 93 actually landed in either Champaign, Illinois or Chicago, Illinois instead of Cleveland, Ohio? I say this because the WCPO report erroneously identified the plane as a Boeing 767 that flew out of Boston, MA instead of a Boeing 757 that departed from Newark, NJ, and there's no evidence in the BTS departure database that indicates UA93 left Boston Logan or any Massachusetts airport on 9/11. Plus, the ACARS data you show does not indicate that Flight 93 flew back to Cleveland, but rather continued flying towards Illinois where messages were last transmitted. What are your thoughts, Mark?
There is a possibility United 93 did land at Cleveland. A news report clip says United 93 originated in Chicago and flew to Cleveland? https://youtu.be/conuVrvaAD0?si=6MPhh9lkJedqNVkK
The question is. Was that the United 93 that Col Marr was talking about circling Chicago? Also, the ACARS messages timing calculation from Cleveland to Chicago is 35 mins, so if you reverse that timing back from Chicago to Cleveland is was possible. I believe United 93 most likely landed at Chicago.
There is also a theory, that perhaps one of the United 175 flights landed at Cleveland and deplaned both American 11's passengers, which were moved on to United 175 flight. this would fit nearer the number of 200 passengers estimate seen at Cleveland being escorted to the NASA Research Center? Also, United 175 may have flown back to Boston, as I said in my 2020 article.
The passengers of American 11, that spoke of a delay, could have been put onto the United 175 flight, at 8:14 a.m. or 8:23 a.m. United 175 plane? It seems to explain the delay that was conveyed regarding American 11. The other American 11 at Gate 26, most likely was the flight that was cancelled in the BTS data-base. Which is why those passengers ended-up on the United 175 flight. The American 11 at the "official" Gate 32, was the plane that had only a few crew on board, and no passengers, which cleaner Wayne Kirk observed, as he departed the plane after his cleaning duties finished, which he though was odd. It is likely, that plane was part of an exercise, which flew to Washington (NORAD Tapes), and was part of a plane crash scenario at the White House, which the Secret Service reported. It likely, that plane landed at Reagan National after flying over the White House. I believe Major Kevin Naspany was referring to this exercise in his comment he made at 8:46 a.m., with the exercise not meant to be starting until an hours time at 9:46 a.m., which is the time (9:46 a.m.) when the Secret Service report the plane crashing into the White House.
I think the whole planning and execution was meant to be confusing, and to mess with our heads, with the contradictions with the evidence, duplication of flights. Nothing seems straightforward.
I am aware of news reports such as the one you linked that says United 93 landed in Cleveland, Ohio. Sadly, I so far couldn't find damning evidence to corroborate it. The BTS, for instance, has no record of UA93 departing from Chicago, Illinois and landing in Cleveland or vice versa. (It also, oddly enough, doesn't list DA1989 as having landed at Cleveland Hopkins Airport on 9/11, although it is listed as a diverted flight).
However, I do find it more likely that the plane WCPO mistakenly identified as Flight 93 was probably either United 175 or Delta 1989. Both were Boeing 767s that flew from Boston, MA on 9/11 and one of them did reportedly land at Cleveland (keep in mind that DA1989 also merged temporarily with UA93 on radar, which is probably where the confusion stemmed from). Plus, Flight 175 was detected flying further west than it should've according to the ACARS transmissions with the plane, so it's possible it did land somewhere in the Midwest.
Regardless, I do agree on one thing: the operation was deliberately confusing and doesn't add up. I suspect this was so to confuse officials who weren't in on the deception and later researchers who study the 9/11 flights in-depth.
Well, I managed to find out, and get UA93 listed as landed at Reagan National at 10:28 a.m.
Reagan was closed for 3 weeks. I still maintain that Reagan was involved with two of the planes. AA11 and UA93.
The other UA93 over Chicago most likely landed there. Col Marr, account of it circling over Chicago is significant.
The BTS has been cleansed of anything significant by now.
I still believe AA11 passengers were perhaps put onto UA175. Remember that a passenger on UA175 thought they were flying to Chicago? But I reckon, the 767 out of Boston could have been UA175, and the passengers taken to the NASA building at Cleveland. That is why United couldn't confirm until 11:30 a.m. that it was United 175 that crash. Also, not to forget Delta 89, popped up on the radar screens, and then disappeared. Was Delta 89 an ID of a training drill hijacking plane scenario, or a cover for call-sign for UA175? After all, Delta 89 was not scheduled to be flying until 6pm? Also note, there was an ELT reported near where Delta 89 disappears, not far from Ann Arbor. That had to be a training exercise of somekind?
I have also discovered that the UA175 ACARS backs up the Flight Explorer flight path shown on MSNBC.
It is just a matter of piecing together the evidence. It is hard to discount the duplicate evidence of flights.
There's no denying that Flight 93 was scheduled to land in D.C. at 10:28 AM and likely landed there around that time, well after it was supposed to have crashed in Pennsylvania at 10:03 AM. It's also likely that a duplicate UA93 did land in Illinois, probably in either Chicago or Champaign. The latter has an airport, too, btw:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Illinois_Willard_Airport
You may have a point about the BTS, unfortunately. We've seen how the agency has dealt with flight data concerning American 11 & 77, so it's possible any incriminating info regarding United 175 & 93 was also scrubbed from their public databases.
I also wouldn't be surprised if some of Flight 11's passengers were transferred to Flight 175. They were in the same airport, after all, so it's doable. Perhaps United and American Airlines were running a joint hijacking drill from Boston on 9/11, which might explain this scenario. Maybe with a little bit of digging, we may discover compelling info that suggests it was so.
And I'm curious to know about this discovery that ACARS messages with UA175 backs up what MSNBC and Flight Explorer disclosed shortly after the attacks, which is their animation showing the plane turning around over New Jersey and flying past New York and into Connecticut where it was last seen. Do the ACARS transmissions place the plane over Connecticut, by any chance?
I was reading through your article again, and have added a bit more info from it, into my Richard Ross article I published recently, with link to your article again. I completely over-looked that info regarding his cancellation of his flight. I think it ties in nicely with his phone call with his wife regarding the delay and concern arriving for his business meeting, considering AA11 pushed back 1 minute behind schedule, and also the fact of his misunderstanding surrounding his flight time.
Speaking of Flights 11 and 175 passengers, I wonder if you'll do an article on Ruth McCourt and her friend Paige Farley-Hackel? If you don't already know, they were very good friends who usually travelled together. They are said to have died on the planes involved in the WTC attacks.
Oddly enough, September 11th was the only time they travelled separately to the same place (Los Angeles, California), which supposedly was due to difficulties in finding available seats for both ladies (and Ruth's daughter) on a single flight from Boston Logan, despite AA11 and UA175 being under-booked and thus having had plenty of empty seats for all three to take on one of the flights.
But if your scenario regarding the first two planes turns out to have some weight, that means the women didn't really travel separately, after all. It actually makes more sense than the official story, considering how inseparable Ruth and Paige were said to be.
How nice of you to source my article again for another post you did. I might check it out.
If you study the Flight Explorer footage, notice when they hover over the plane and the data block appears, it also shows a flight path line, which leads back between Harrisburg and Pittsburgh. Interestingly that is were the ACARS ground station transmission messages were sent to the plane from.
Note: None were recorded from over Connecticut. But saying that, all the ACARS data was obtained through FOIA, as it was withheld, so for all I know it could have been omitted after 9:51 a.m., when an ACARS msg was sent. The other two was sent at 8:59 a.m. and 9:03 a.m.
I think untangling all the evidence we do have does allow to build a picture, or working hypothesis of what happened with those planes.
For example, I am quite certain AA77 landed at St Louis Airport. I have a photo of one American Airlines 757 sat on the tarmac amoung other airlines planes. From my understanding only 12 AA flights went to that airport on 9/11.
"If you study the Flight Explorer footage, notice when they hover over the plane and the data block appears, it also shows a flight path line, which leads back between Harrisburg and Pittsburgh."
You mean this bright yellow line at 0:39 in the video below? It does seem to pass through the area where one of the ACARS messages with UA175 was transmitted.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Te1phBxoh5A
It only gets more interesting, doesn't it?