Evidence shows that AA77 did not turn around on the Kentucky and Ohio boarder like we are led to believe and head back to Washington to crash into the Pentagon on Sept 11th 2001.
As to where Flight 77 could've landed, one possible answer is airports near Centerville, Kansas - the closest being Fort Scott Municipal Airport at 50 miles, which you have to scroll down to find after you click the below website:
Centerville, Kansas is where the last DCC coordinates for AA77 places the plane to be (latitude: 38.233, longitude: -95.07). You can place the numbers below to confirm this yourself:
Another possible contender is Forbes Field airport, situated in Topeka, Kansas. It is 92 miles away from Centerville and its coordinates are 38.950 latitude, -95.66 longitude. Here's more info about this airport:
Thanks for all this information. It is really important that you are following up on info I have posted. I have been a one man band, but the fact you take the time to do this researching is very helpful indeed. I cannot stress this enough! Thank you very much! PS: It would be good to connect with you privately, as you may be able to help me follow-up some areas.
To provide additional corroboration of AA77 flying further west towards Missouri and Kansas, some mainstream publications such as the San Francisco Gate and the Detroit News has illustrations depicting the plane doing just that. Here are some examples below:
Speaking of Flight 77, I wonder if you'll do a series devoted to critiquing David Chandler's work about the Pentagon attack, where he suggests that the plane or something similar did indeed hit the building on 9/11? I predict it'll probably rank with your seminal work on September Clues as one of the best you've done. One good title for the series that comes to mind is "A Critical Review of David Chandler's "Pentagon Puzzle"". What do you think?
As a reference point, here's one version of Chandler's work on this subject as seen on YouTube:
On the other hand, I'm curious to know why you think the AA77 seen flying west towards Kansas and Missouri was the real plane and not a false blip? Keep in mind that part of the war games NORAD was hosting involved the insertion and tracking of false radar signals, so this could be one of those things. If you have any sufficient explanation to offer, let me know. Take care!
In my whole body of my research, I have shown conclusively that duplicate flights for all 4 flights. For example, with AA11, it pushed back from Gate 32, and I have witness statements to back that up. However, I don't think AA11 at Gate 32 had passengers on it, as I have evidence that some passengers boarded at Gate 26 instead, however, there is a good chance that this plane didn't not take-off. And it is my contention that this was the plane which was listed in the BTS data base as no wheels off time and unknown tail number. The plane took off from Gate 32 was the plane involved in a war games drill, and only had most likely minimal crew onboard, like Betty Ong and Amy Sweeney and the pilots. My assertion here is backed up by my Wayne Kirk, a cleaner who cleaned AA11 at Gate 32, who said there was only one or two crew gathering when he finished cleaning the plane, which was unusual. This AA11 was plane which was named by tail number on NORAD tapes as being still airborne and flying to Washington. Strangely, the secret service at the White House reported a plane had crashed into it, and fire department were dispatched to the White House with a building collapse team.
I contend the same instances happened with AA77. I have highlighted gate issues and the plane pushing back from a different gate on the opposite side of the concourse - D19 or D 21 gate. While I have photos of passengers boarding at Gate D26. Plus a photo of the plane at D26. This could've been the plane which did not leave the ground, and listed in the BTS with no tail number. I believe the DCC radar which captures AA77 over Missouri is legit because this data was withheld from the public, and it completely contradicts the Rades84 radar for AA77. I believe the Rades84 AA77 radar data is the sim inserted blip, after AA77's transponder was turned off and in the radar black spot. I also have a photo of one American Airlines plane parked up with several other planes at St Louis Airport. I believe this was AA77, which landed there.
Sorry for the long explanation, but hopes it helps. Thanks for all your comments. I haven't been around much lately on here, but have popped in and seen your comments. I can follow up the info also you refer to.
Thanks for your detailed and satisfactory response. It's possible that the DCC radar for AA77 is accurate and what's shown on the Rades84 data is a phantom flight or decoy plane in place for the actual Flight 77, akin to Delta 89. That explains why it was never readily released by the U.S. government until around 2009 due to pressure from FOIA requests.
When one considers the fact that the Pentagon aircraft wreckage was never positively identified as AA77 via serial numbers, this leaves open the likelihood that the DCC radar data is genuine. The only purported evidence that links such wreckage to Flight 77 are the human plane remains said to have been recovered from the Pentagon and identified as that plane's occupants, but as I've said before such evidence is questionable to say the least. With no independent verification, we have to take the government's word for it.
Also, I'm curious to see that photo you mentioned from St. Louis airport. I know you're probably saving that for a future project you're working on, but it would be nice to have a sneak peak of it. If you decline, I completely understand. Good luck!
I'd like to mention that even the relatives of one of the alleged AA77 victims were skeptical of the plane having turned back and struck the Pentagon. Here's an old article about that:
"A Grieving Mother Wonders What Really Happened on 9/11
by Marion Kminek, mother of Mari-Rae Sopper, who was killed on American Airlines Flight 77 on September 11, 2001.
Flight 77 was the only hijacked plane that could not be tracked by radar the whole way as it lost radar contact near the Ohio/Kentucky border. So by this fact, Flight 77 could have gone anywhere since it’s transponder was turned off and as some people claim only the military could track it and thereby staying perfectly hidden from all radar of the civil authorities."
As to where Flight 77 could've landed, one possible answer is airports near Centerville, Kansas - the closest being Fort Scott Municipal Airport at 50 miles, which you have to scroll down to find after you click the below website:
https://www.travelmath.com/nearest-airport/Centerville,+KS
Centerville, Kansas is where the last DCC coordinates for AA77 places the plane to be (latitude: 38.233, longitude: -95.07). You can place the numbers below to confirm this yourself:
https://latlongdata.com/latitude-longitude-lookup/
The above coordinates came from this document, which I believe you have in one of your posts on Flight 77:
https://catalog.archives.gov/id/7595913
The coordinates for Fort Scott Municipal Airport are 37.795 latitude, -94.76 longitude.
Another possible contender is Forbes Field airport, situated in Topeka, Kansas. It is 92 miles away from Centerville and its coordinates are 38.950 latitude, -95.66 longitude. Here's more info about this airport:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topeka_Regional_Airport
Thanks for all this information. It is really important that you are following up on info I have posted. I have been a one man band, but the fact you take the time to do this researching is very helpful indeed. I cannot stress this enough! Thank you very much! PS: It would be good to connect with you privately, as you may be able to help me follow-up some areas.
You're welcome! I'm glad to help.
As for contacting me privately, I'll think about it. In the meantime, I will post some worthwhile info here for future research you may do.
Take care!
To provide additional corroboration of AA77 flying further west towards Missouri and Kansas, some mainstream publications such as the San Francisco Gate and the Detroit News has illustrations depicting the plane doing just that. Here are some examples below:
https://web.archive.org/web/20141011082002/http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/INVESTIGATING-9-11-THE-HIJACKINGS-2706265.php#photo-2169574
https://web.archive.org/web/20131214152543/http://www.911omissionreport.com/flight_77_flight_path/flight1.gif
You can use these illustrations for any article you have on Flight 77 such this one. Take care.
Speaking of Flight 77, I wonder if you'll do a series devoted to critiquing David Chandler's work about the Pentagon attack, where he suggests that the plane or something similar did indeed hit the building on 9/11? I predict it'll probably rank with your seminal work on September Clues as one of the best you've done. One good title for the series that comes to mind is "A Critical Review of David Chandler's "Pentagon Puzzle"". What do you think?
As a reference point, here's one version of Chandler's work on this subject as seen on YouTube:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YsadQzNhT-Q
Here's his playlist:
https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQDv-sbExGyUlhn_ir15tet5HAGM_eCBA
On the other hand, I'm curious to know why you think the AA77 seen flying west towards Kansas and Missouri was the real plane and not a false blip? Keep in mind that part of the war games NORAD was hosting involved the insertion and tracking of false radar signals, so this could be one of those things. If you have any sufficient explanation to offer, let me know. Take care!
Hi Jane,
In my whole body of my research, I have shown conclusively that duplicate flights for all 4 flights. For example, with AA11, it pushed back from Gate 32, and I have witness statements to back that up. However, I don't think AA11 at Gate 32 had passengers on it, as I have evidence that some passengers boarded at Gate 26 instead, however, there is a good chance that this plane didn't not take-off. And it is my contention that this was the plane which was listed in the BTS data base as no wheels off time and unknown tail number. The plane took off from Gate 32 was the plane involved in a war games drill, and only had most likely minimal crew onboard, like Betty Ong and Amy Sweeney and the pilots. My assertion here is backed up by my Wayne Kirk, a cleaner who cleaned AA11 at Gate 32, who said there was only one or two crew gathering when he finished cleaning the plane, which was unusual. This AA11 was plane which was named by tail number on NORAD tapes as being still airborne and flying to Washington. Strangely, the secret service at the White House reported a plane had crashed into it, and fire department were dispatched to the White House with a building collapse team.
I contend the same instances happened with AA77. I have highlighted gate issues and the plane pushing back from a different gate on the opposite side of the concourse - D19 or D 21 gate. While I have photos of passengers boarding at Gate D26. Plus a photo of the plane at D26. This could've been the plane which did not leave the ground, and listed in the BTS with no tail number. I believe the DCC radar which captures AA77 over Missouri is legit because this data was withheld from the public, and it completely contradicts the Rades84 radar for AA77. I believe the Rades84 AA77 radar data is the sim inserted blip, after AA77's transponder was turned off and in the radar black spot. I also have a photo of one American Airlines plane parked up with several other planes at St Louis Airport. I believe this was AA77, which landed there.
Sorry for the long explanation, but hopes it helps. Thanks for all your comments. I haven't been around much lately on here, but have popped in and seen your comments. I can follow up the info also you refer to.
Kind regards!
Thanks for your detailed and satisfactory response. It's possible that the DCC radar for AA77 is accurate and what's shown on the Rades84 data is a phantom flight or decoy plane in place for the actual Flight 77, akin to Delta 89. That explains why it was never readily released by the U.S. government until around 2009 due to pressure from FOIA requests.
When one considers the fact that the Pentagon aircraft wreckage was never positively identified as AA77 via serial numbers, this leaves open the likelihood that the DCC radar data is genuine. The only purported evidence that links such wreckage to Flight 77 are the human plane remains said to have been recovered from the Pentagon and identified as that plane's occupants, but as I've said before such evidence is questionable to say the least. With no independent verification, we have to take the government's word for it.
Also, I'm curious to see that photo you mentioned from St. Louis airport. I know you're probably saving that for a future project you're working on, but it would be nice to have a sneak peak of it. If you decline, I completely understand. Good luck!
I'd like to mention that even the relatives of one of the alleged AA77 victims were skeptical of the plane having turned back and struck the Pentagon. Here's an old article about that:
"A Grieving Mother Wonders What Really Happened on 9/11
by Marion Kminek, mother of Mari-Rae Sopper, who was killed on American Airlines Flight 77 on September 11, 2001.
Flight 77 was the only hijacked plane that could not be tracked by radar the whole way as it lost radar contact near the Ohio/Kentucky border. So by this fact, Flight 77 could have gone anywhere since it’s transponder was turned off and as some people claim only the military could track it and thereby staying perfectly hidden from all radar of the civil authorities."
https://web.archive.org/web/20100714164131/http://senior-relocation-move-services.com/seniorsmover/why-does-mother-of-flight-77-victim-believe-flight-77-did-not-hit-the-pentagon