Hi, in what way, does this make Art Bell look sane? We are mainly discussing the "official" telemetry data, which was hidden by the authorities, but later released in 2009? I would say it is wild how the "official" telemetry data shows the planes were still airborne when we were told they had crashed. Pretty disgusting that the US authorities hid this from the American people. Plus, did you watch the video in full, as I only just released it here on Substack half our ago before you posted your comment, and the video runs for 2.5 hours?
John Lear - a Retired airline captain and former CIA pilot with 17 world records, including Speed Around the World in a Lear Jet Model 24 set in 1966.
He flew secret missions for the CIA in Southeast Asia, Eastern Europe, the Middle East and Africa between 1967 and 1983 and for 17 years of his career he worked for several passenger and cargo airlines as Captain, Check Airman and Instructor.
He was certificated by the FAA as a North Atlantic (MNPS) Check Airman.
He also had extensive experience as command pilot and instructor in the Boeing 707, Douglas DC-8 and Lockheed L-1011.
One doesn’t need to see more than a few minutes to fully know what the video is all about.
I have discussed these issues many times with people from a wide array of backgrounds and fields. I’ve no desire to keep doing so.
As mentioned, I do understand coverups, manipulations, and the like by our government. I can guarantee there are things out there that would have people going insane if they knew the stories.
For me, those days are done.
I tried to find ACTUAL proof of much of what you are saying here. For me, it’s just not there.
I had a discussion with a pilot and here is what he had to say:
Pilot: "Retired airline captain, 33.5 years in aviation, Icelandic"
9/11 revisionist asking questions:
Airline Captain 😳😳😳
Do I have some questions for you 😊
1. Can a plane fly at between 494 and 586 mph at 1 368 feet?
2. Can a plane doing about the same speed in question 1 and come down horizontally with the ground and slice through 5 lampposts without disintegrating or changing course?
3. Can a plane basically disappear into the ground where EVERYTHING just disintegrates in such a manner that not a chair, shoe, any luggage, or any trace of the plane can be found?
Pilot: 9/11 revisionist asked: I try to give my opinion:
1. between 494-586 mph? Aircraft FAA approved manual of the planes I have worked on has speed limits in form of Indicated airspeed at these altitudes:
757: 350 KIAS (knots indicated speed) is 402 mph.
767: 360 KIAS is 414 mph.
These speeds are maximum - unless the system has been tampered with, above these speeds you will have an aural warning very loud all the time.
It is a real distraction even for a seasoned pilot.
To answer, I think these speeds would be much above the speed when something breaks (although Jet airplanes have a built-in margin for overspeed).
2. Difficult…, let’s say aircraft weight 100 tons, I would believe that 5 lampposts collision would not alter the airplanes course (impact force) however could there be a disaster following due to damages.
3. No
4. An airplane on these speeds, banking to change course, the G-forces would, in my opinion have the airplane break up.
9/11 revisionist:
Now, the examples I was giving was the official narrative about 9/11 - and those planes on 9/11 were making insane banking manoeuvres both "planes" "hitting the towers" and if you look at the banking the "plane" that hit the Pentagon apparently sliced through the lamppost and number 3 was the "plane" that crashed at Shanksville.
Do you think an aluminium could slice through those massive steel beams?
What is your opinion on the 9/11 narrative?
Pilot:
1. you can bank an airplane and continue to bank, as if going to Roll the airplane. I believe you cannot bank the plane to make a course change unless to overstress it at these speeds.
2. insane banking manoeuvres at these speeds - NO - Breaking
3. I mean No - it would be breaking.
9/11 revisionist: Regarding the official story of the “plane” hitting the Pentagon picture:
- No sliced off pieces of the plane found.
Pilot:
- Keep in mind I have only years of experience and a simulation to these extremities would only be a calculation.
- I think cannot be simulated as of now, as just a years ago, simulators were not having enough data to be able to do simulation, e.g., full stall (before always emphasised on avoiding full stalls.
- Full stalls must be practised, whether a light plane or a jet.
9/11 revisionist: Referring to the pictures of a plain hitting a massive concrete block at over 500mp/h
- And this is what we are supposed to believe?
- An aluminium plane slicing through solid steel beams leaving a hole like the roadrunner cartoons....
Pilot: I think i am of an opinion that is like yours
9/11 revisionist:
- I really like you.
- now we just need to get into WHAT happened to the 8 buildings at the world trade centre complex.
So you are commenting on a video that you haven't watched?
You watched a heavily edited intro? So you don't know what telemetry data I was presenting in the video regarding the "official" ACARS data, DCC Radar data, Rades84, ELTs, BTS data? Plus, ATC co-ordinates data, along with all the other data and testimony accounts like Col Marr, I talked about?
How can you discount what I have presented, when clearly you didn't watch the video in full? You have assumed what is in the video?
The video is well documented and referenced where every piece of info and data I use in my presentation. It is all at my website? So how is it that you say "it’s just not there"? when you looked?
Have you actually studied all of the above data I talk about in this presentation?
If so, please share YOUR conclusions? I actually made all the data of official documents available for the public to view, including all the unclassified documents I have where I obtained my information?
It would be worthy you watching interview in full before making assumptions about what I am have talked about.
I offer YOU a challenge to disprove any of my official evidence and information I present in this video? I am more Zoom video chat, and I will happily correct any of mistakes that you point out to me.
Mark, I know your stance, you know mine. Nothing will change, and that is fine. Hope you have a good year in 2025. Maybe it’ll be a bit less insane than the last one.
It is not a stance I made in that video, I merely presented a ton load of "official" telemetry data, and pointed out the discrepancies with it all? It is very strange, and I am trying to get to the bottom of it.
It would have been nice if you (considering your background) could have maybe solved or at least engaged as to what is going on with a lot of the official data? I am open to new reasons why it is so full of discrepancies.
A lot of my hypothesizing is based on the data evidence I have amassed over the last 15 years or so.
I am not looking to change your mind on it, but at least you could assist myself with it, bearing in mind your background. Please reconsider in helping, or at least give the video a watch and see what you can make of the data, and see if you could explain some of the unexplainable discrepancies to me. I am a reasonable open-minded person, and have changed my position plenty of times regarding 9/11 when new evidence comes to light.
Please reconsider doing some decent feedback on the evidence I show in the video.
Warm regards,
MC.
PS: Yes happy new year, let's hope things get sane.
I started in the field with attack aviation, then corporate, and ended with commercial aviation. I have REPEATEDLY gone over ATC, and military tapes of that day.
These planes crashed, there is absolutely ZERO indication of remote control piloting.
Do I believe our government hides very peculiar shit from the public ? Absolutely. I know they do, because I used to be part of that segment. On 9/11, however, it happened as initially reported.
John Lear - a Retired airline captain and former CIA pilot with 17 world records, including Speed Around the World in a Lear Jet Model 24 set in 1966.
He flew secret missions for the CIA in Southeast Asia, Eastern Europe, the Middle East and Africa between 1967 and 1983 and for 17 years of his career he worked for several passenger and cargo airlines as Captain, Check Airman and Instructor.
He was certificated by the FAA as a North Atlantic (MNPS) Check Airman.
He also had extensive experience as command pilot and instructor in the Boeing 707, Douglas DC-8 and Lockheed L-1011.
How did you watch this video I posted at 12:11pm before you commented on the video at 12:16pm? The video runs for 2.5 hours? Surely you could not have watched it all before you made your comment? Very strange!
If you ended in commercial aviation, then you should know all about the ACARS data, ELT data, ATC and DCC radar data and BTS data discrepancies, which I presented?
Please explain to me how these 4 flights are still airborne, flying no where near the "alleged" crash sites, and after the crashes?
FYI, I have never said they were "remote controlled" planes? If you watch the video in full, you would know this?
Would you be willing to jump on a Zoom video chat with me, as I am looking for answers to all the "official" telemetry data evidence conflicts regarding these 4 flights, perhaps you could answer my questions, and explain to me all the discrepancies, and WHY I am wrong with what I presented in the video?
November 12, 2001 - The crash of AA flight 587 in NYC
Have a listen: https://rumble.com/v4h4c7h-november-12-2001-the-crash-of-aa-flight-587-in-nyc.html
I’ve heard some wild ones, but this makes Art Bell seem sane.
November 12, 2001 - The crash of AA flight 587 in NYC
Your real world example that the planes in NYC were an illusion...
Video: https://rumble.com/v4h4c7h-november-12-2001-the-crash-of-aa-flight-587-in-nyc.html
9/11 The Plane / No Plane debate settled.
Most probably the best distraction of WHAT happened on September 11, 2001
Article: https://911revision.substack.com/p/911-the-plane-no-plane-argument
Hi, in what way, does this make Art Bell look sane? We are mainly discussing the "official" telemetry data, which was hidden by the authorities, but later released in 2009? I would say it is wild how the "official" telemetry data shows the planes were still airborne when we were told they had crashed. Pretty disgusting that the US authorities hid this from the American people. Plus, did you watch the video in full, as I only just released it here on Substack half our ago before you posted your comment, and the video runs for 2.5 hours?
Ok, we know each other’s stance. Just let it go.
😂 Premeditated ignorance. Yup, THAT is the phrase I was looking for. Now I know how to categorize you. Much appreciated.
Nothing is more "premeditated ignorance", than someone who passes a comment on a video that they haven't watched....
Here is the real world example for you to help you see through your own ignorance.
You're welcome.
November 12, 2001 - The crash of AA flight 587 in NYC
Video: https://rumble.com/v4h4c7h-november-12-2001-the-crash-of-aa-flight-587-in-nyc.html
9/11 Planes: CIA pilot with 17 world records explains
Have a listen: https://rumble.com/v61ys2t-911-planes-cia-pilot-with-17-world-records-explains.html
John Lear - a Retired airline captain and former CIA pilot with 17 world records, including Speed Around the World in a Lear Jet Model 24 set in 1966.
He flew secret missions for the CIA in Southeast Asia, Eastern Europe, the Middle East and Africa between 1967 and 1983 and for 17 years of his career he worked for several passenger and cargo airlines as Captain, Check Airman and Instructor.
He was certificated by the FAA as a North Atlantic (MNPS) Check Airman.
He also had extensive experience as command pilot and instructor in the Boeing 707, Douglas DC-8 and Lockheed L-1011.
In short - He knows WTF he's talking about.
Legal Filings Available for Download: https://nomoregames.net/2011/06/12/request-for-correction-by-nist-for-its-invalid-wtc-jetliner-animations-and-analyses/
Ok, I know your position. You can stop hyperventilating now. You’re not going to change my mind.
Let your premeditated ignorance win...
November 12, 2001 - The crash of AA flight 587 in NYC
Thought experiment: https://rumble.com/v4h4c7h-november-12-2001-the-crash-of-aa-flight-587-in-nyc.html
Ok, have a nice day.
One doesn’t need to see more than a few minutes to fully know what the video is all about.
I have discussed these issues many times with people from a wide array of backgrounds and fields. I’ve no desire to keep doing so.
As mentioned, I do understand coverups, manipulations, and the like by our government. I can guarantee there are things out there that would have people going insane if they knew the stories.
For me, those days are done.
I tried to find ACTUAL proof of much of what you are saying here. For me, it’s just not there.
Thanks for reading, Dave.
I had a discussion with a pilot and here is what he had to say:
Pilot: "Retired airline captain, 33.5 years in aviation, Icelandic"
9/11 revisionist asking questions:
Airline Captain 😳😳😳
Do I have some questions for you 😊
1. Can a plane fly at between 494 and 586 mph at 1 368 feet?
2. Can a plane doing about the same speed in question 1 and come down horizontally with the ground and slice through 5 lampposts without disintegrating or changing course?
3. Can a plane basically disappear into the ground where EVERYTHING just disintegrates in such a manner that not a chair, shoe, any luggage, or any trace of the plane can be found?
4. The link below – American Airlines flight 587 from 12 November 2001 – Is the assumptions in this video correct or false? - https://rumble.com/v4h4c7h-november-12-2001-the-crash-of-aa-flight-587-in-nyc.html
Pilot: 9/11 revisionist asked: I try to give my opinion:
1. between 494-586 mph? Aircraft FAA approved manual of the planes I have worked on has speed limits in form of Indicated airspeed at these altitudes:
757: 350 KIAS (knots indicated speed) is 402 mph.
767: 360 KIAS is 414 mph.
These speeds are maximum - unless the system has been tampered with, above these speeds you will have an aural warning very loud all the time.
It is a real distraction even for a seasoned pilot.
To answer, I think these speeds would be much above the speed when something breaks (although Jet airplanes have a built-in margin for overspeed).
2. Difficult…, let’s say aircraft weight 100 tons, I would believe that 5 lampposts collision would not alter the airplanes course (impact force) however could there be a disaster following due to damages.
3. No
4. An airplane on these speeds, banking to change course, the G-forces would, in my opinion have the airplane break up.
9/11 revisionist:
Now, the examples I was giving was the official narrative about 9/11 - and those planes on 9/11 were making insane banking manoeuvres both "planes" "hitting the towers" and if you look at the banking the "plane" that hit the Pentagon apparently sliced through the lamppost and number 3 was the "plane" that crashed at Shanksville.
Do you think an aluminium could slice through those massive steel beams?
What is your opinion on the 9/11 narrative?
Pilot:
1. you can bank an airplane and continue to bank, as if going to Roll the airplane. I believe you cannot bank the plane to make a course change unless to overstress it at these speeds.
2. insane banking manoeuvres at these speeds - NO - Breaking
3. I mean No - it would be breaking.
9/11 revisionist: Regarding the official story of the “plane” hitting the Pentagon picture:
- No sliced off pieces of the plane found.
Pilot:
- Keep in mind I have only years of experience and a simulation to these extremities would only be a calculation.
- I think cannot be simulated as of now, as just a years ago, simulators were not having enough data to be able to do simulation, e.g., full stall (before always emphasised on avoiding full stalls.
- Full stalls must be practised, whether a light plane or a jet.
9/11 revisionist: Referring to the pictures of a plain hitting a massive concrete block at over 500mp/h
- And this is what we are supposed to believe?
- An aluminium plane slicing through solid steel beams leaving a hole like the roadrunner cartoons....
Pilot: I think i am of an opinion that is like yours
9/11 revisionist:
- I really like you.
- now we just need to get into WHAT happened to the 8 buildings at the world trade centre complex.
- And that is going to warp your brain 😂😂🙈
Pilot:
- This is just the tip of the iceberg 😊
Hi,
So you are commenting on a video that you haven't watched?
You watched a heavily edited intro? So you don't know what telemetry data I was presenting in the video regarding the "official" ACARS data, DCC Radar data, Rades84, ELTs, BTS data? Plus, ATC co-ordinates data, along with all the other data and testimony accounts like Col Marr, I talked about?
How can you discount what I have presented, when clearly you didn't watch the video in full? You have assumed what is in the video?
The video is well documented and referenced where every piece of info and data I use in my presentation. It is all at my website? So how is it that you say "it’s just not there"? when you looked?
Have you actually studied all of the above data I talk about in this presentation?
If so, please share YOUR conclusions? I actually made all the data of official documents available for the public to view, including all the unclassified documents I have where I obtained my information?
It would be worthy you watching interview in full before making assumptions about what I am have talked about.
I offer YOU a challenge to disprove any of my official evidence and information I present in this video? I am more Zoom video chat, and I will happily correct any of mistakes that you point out to me.
Warm regards,
Mark Conlon.
Mark, I know your stance, you know mine. Nothing will change, and that is fine. Hope you have a good year in 2025. Maybe it’ll be a bit less insane than the last one.
The "International Center for 9/11 Justice" - getting the 9/11 planes propaganda in focus...
Video compilation: https://rumble.com/v63458t-getting-the-911-planes-propaganda-in-focus.html
David,
It is not a stance I made in that video, I merely presented a ton load of "official" telemetry data, and pointed out the discrepancies with it all? It is very strange, and I am trying to get to the bottom of it.
It would have been nice if you (considering your background) could have maybe solved or at least engaged as to what is going on with a lot of the official data? I am open to new reasons why it is so full of discrepancies.
A lot of my hypothesizing is based on the data evidence I have amassed over the last 15 years or so.
I am not looking to change your mind on it, but at least you could assist myself with it, bearing in mind your background. Please reconsider in helping, or at least give the video a watch and see what you can make of the data, and see if you could explain some of the unexplainable discrepancies to me. I am a reasonable open-minded person, and have changed my position plenty of times regarding 9/11 when new evidence comes to light.
Please reconsider doing some decent feedback on the evidence I show in the video.
Warm regards,
MC.
PS: Yes happy new year, let's hope things get sane.
I started in the field with attack aviation, then corporate, and ended with commercial aviation. I have REPEATEDLY gone over ATC, and military tapes of that day.
These planes crashed, there is absolutely ZERO indication of remote control piloting.
Do I believe our government hides very peculiar shit from the public ? Absolutely. I know they do, because I used to be part of that segment. On 9/11, however, it happened as initially reported.
LOL - Your substack states: Former US military, corporate, and commercial aviation. Not a pilot"...
Now, let's listen to a REAL Pilot....
9/11 Planes: CIA pilot with 17 world records explains
Video: https://rumble.com/v61ys2t-911-planes-cia-pilot-with-17-world-records-explains.html
John Lear - a Retired airline captain and former CIA pilot with 17 world records, including Speed Around the World in a Lear Jet Model 24 set in 1966.
He flew secret missions for the CIA in Southeast Asia, Eastern Europe, the Middle East and Africa between 1967 and 1983 and for 17 years of his career he worked for several passenger and cargo airlines as Captain, Check Airman and Instructor.
He was certificated by the FAA as a North Atlantic (MNPS) Check Airman.
He also had extensive experience as command pilot and instructor in the Boeing 707, Douglas DC-8 and Lockheed L-1011.
In short - He knows WTF he's talking about.
Legal Filings Available for Download: https://nomoregames.net/2011/06/12/request-for-correction-by-nist-for-its-invalid-wtc-jetliner-animations-and-analyses/
Illusion of Reality and the 9/11 Planes
Is seeing believing, or believing seeing on 9/11?
Article: https://911planesresearch.substack.com/p/illusion-of-reality-and-the-911-planes
9/11 Planes: 3D VIPT vs Video Fakery and CGI
Is seeing believing, or believing seeing on 9/11?
Article: https://911planesresearch.substack.com/p/911-planes-3d-volumetric-image-projection
Elephant in the "Plane Hugging" 9/11 Truth Movement Living Room
A Difficult Fact: No Emergency Locator Transmissions on 9/11
Article: https://911planesresearch.substack.com/p/elephant-in-the-plane-hugging-911
Ok.
November 12, 2001 - The crash of AA flight 587 in NYC
Video: https://rumble.com/v4h4c7h-november-12-2001-the-crash-of-aa-flight-587-in-nyc.html
Your real world example - Put on your thinking cap and realise you were fooled on 9/11 - You're welcome
Hi,
How did you watch this video I posted at 12:11pm before you commented on the video at 12:16pm? The video runs for 2.5 hours? Surely you could not have watched it all before you made your comment? Very strange!
If you ended in commercial aviation, then you should know all about the ACARS data, ELT data, ATC and DCC radar data and BTS data discrepancies, which I presented?
Please explain to me how these 4 flights are still airborne, flying no where near the "alleged" crash sites, and after the crashes?
FYI, I have never said they were "remote controlled" planes? If you watch the video in full, you would know this?
Would you be willing to jump on a Zoom video chat with me, as I am looking for answers to all the "official" telemetry data evidence conflicts regarding these 4 flights, perhaps you could answer my questions, and explain to me all the discrepancies, and WHY I am wrong with what I presented in the video?
Warm regards,
Mark Conlon.